Isabeau Lebleu - Creative linking?

Hi Sharon

I now remember asking the same questions about Isabeau and David.
I ultimately could not confirm anything. I will try to dig further, but in the end I thought that Pierre and Rachel were the parents of Barbara and Guillame.

I figured that David and Isabeau had children Pierre (1657) and Marie Prevot (1651), husband of Charles.

Wikitree has some sources: http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Le_Fébre-56#Sources
The Lefebre's are also listed in the Pienaar family tree.

Looking at everything again I might have been wrong - that Pierre (1657) is actually the son of Pierre and Rachel. I could not find proof of anything.

Anneline

I suspect that the question of who the husband of Marie de Grave, SM/PROG is, is going to be key.

THanks, I'll look at that link more carefully tomorrow morning.
Before I forget this is the source I found for
Guilliaume le Fèvre, b1 marrying Catharina van der Zande on 27/03/1712http://huguenots-france.org/france/refuge/afrique_sud/embarques.htm

Barbe le Févre, SM/PROG does not appear to be the sister of Pierre le Fèvre; or the daughter of Pierre le Fébre and Rachel Le Febre.
She comes from Fleurbaix, Nord-Pas-de-Calais, France; and they all come from Guines:

Pierre le Fevre, zoon van NN le Fevre.

Getuige 1677 bij huwelijk zoon Pierre; idem 1679 bij huwelijk zoon Isaac.

Hij was gehuwd met Rachel Vanplus, (Vamplus), overleden voor 1677.

O: vermeld als overleden bij huwelijk zoon Pierre, 1677.

Uit dit huwelijk:

1 : Isaac, geboren te Pihen (62) rond 1656, wonende te Vieille Eglise (Guines).

Hij is getrouwd te Guines {dtb Guines} op 26 februari 1679 voor de kerk met Suzanne le Roux, geboren te Marck (62-Guînes) rond 1655, wonende te Vieille Eglise (Guines), dochter van Jean le Roux en Marie Carpentier.

2 : Pierre, geboren te Canterbury (Eng) rond 1657, wonende te Vieille Eglise (Guines).

Getuige 1679 bij huwelijk broer Isaac, samen met vader Pierre.

Hij is getrouwd te Guînes (62) op 9 mei 1677 voor de kerk met Marie Guignart, geboren te Offekerque (62-Guînes) rond 1654, wonende te Vieille Eglise (Guines), dochter van Jean Guignart en Catherine Coman, (Copman).

Uit dit huwelijk:

2.1 : Isaac, geboren te Vieille Eglise (Guines) op 28 oktober 1678, gedoopt te Calais {dtb Guines} op 13 november 1678 (doopgetuigen waren Isaac le Fevre en Suzanne le Roux).

- "Transcript of the Registers of the Protestant Church at Guisnes, from 1668 to 1685", William Minet, 1891 for Huguenot Society of London on http://www.grijsbaard.nl/Guines/HZ003704.HTM and http://www.grijsbaard.nl/Guines/HZ003703.HTM

Sharon I found a document from the registrar of deeds, a map of a farm registered to P Levebre in 1695 not sure at all if this is related to the Le Febres in this discussion.

I also found this reference, not sure if it's related.
DEPOT KAB
SOURCE CJ
TYPE LEER
VOLUME_NO 2870
SYSTEM 01
REFERENCE 22
PART 1
DESCRIPTION LE FEVRE, PIERRE. VRYBURGER. KONTRAKTE.
STARTING 16920000
ENDING 16940000

It is, however, important to note that Pierre & Isaac WERE FRENCH HUGUENOTS (as evidenced by the citation above: "Transcript of the Registers of the Protestant Church at Guisnes, from 1668 to 1685", William Minet, 1891 for Huguenot Society of London on http://www.grijsbaard.nl/Guines/HZ003704.HTM and http://www.grijsbaard.nl/Guines/HZ003703.HTM)

And that THERE WAS AN EXODUS FROM GUINES to FLANDERS in 1685
"So it was in 1685, only after the end of June 1685 the church in Guînes was closed, and then on 18 October 1685 when the Edict of Nantes was revoked, almost the entire Protestant population, led by their pastor Pierre Trouillard, moved to the area of Cadzand Groede [Flanders] "http://www.grijsbaard.nl/Guines/StartGuines.html

So,it remains an outside possibility that some of these people did come to SA.

Other Le Fevres did come to SA on at least two different boats:
Ship lists http://huguenots-france.org/france/refuge/afrique_sud/embarques.htm
-one perhaps in 1683, with Barbe & Guillaume le Fevre (Possibly brother & sister?) from Flanders;
- & one with Marie Le Fevre with her husband Charles Prevost's family from Picardie & Flanders on de Schelde on 05/06/1688
- and Paul Le Fevre with wife Elisabeth Sezille and Suzanne le Fevre from Champage on the Vosmaer on 16 Oct 1696

Charmaine, that's interesting: what does the =document from the registrar of deeds, a map of a farm registered to P Levebre in 1695= say?

This is the reference that made me look for it. It's apdf document. I can upload it so you can have a look. But where do I upload it?
DEPOT Hugenote-Gedenkmuseum, Franschhoek
TYPE Manuskrip
REFERENCE D136
DESCRIPTION Pierre le Fevre.
STARTING 0000
ENDING 0000
REMARKS Fotostaat van dokument in Kantoor van Landmeter-generaal.
SUMMARY + Grondbrief vir Fleurbaay, Stellenbosch, uitgereik aan
Pierre le Fevre.

Oh that's so great. "Fleurbaay, Stellenbosch" links him to Guillaume le Febure who comes out c 1683 (with Barbe) from FLEURBAIX FLANDRES and settles at Fleurbaix-Stellenbosch
http://huguenots-france.org/france/refuge/afrique_sud/embarques.htm

Ok, it's here: http://www.geni.com/documents/view?doc_id=6000000040551285904&

You can upload both of them to Pierre le Fèvre, SV/PROG

Sorry, cross posted - was looking to find you the link to the profile.

I tagged him in the map of the farm, that's all I could find on the internet. The "grondbrief" we'll have to ask somebody closer to see if they can get a copy.

DESCRIPTION LE FEVRE, PIERRE. VRYBURGER. KONTRAKTE. I could also not find online.

Just for pretty, this is the farm today: http://sq1.co.za/portfolio/fleurbaix-estate-cape-dutch-homestead/

Oh Wow!

Hello..I have found this information on a French site..Elisabeth Leleu (not Bleu) born ca 1621..Died 23/03/1678....Married to David Lefebvre..He was a surgeon....Children Daniel born in Marcq, ca 1646..m: Elisabeth Fournier, on 01/11/1676, at the Temple in Guines.....David born ca 1647, in Marcq..married Marie-Claire Tourbier, on 20/11/1684 at the Temple in Guines.....And Marie, who married Charles Pruvost on 08/10/1673 at the Temple in Guines.....Elisabeth Leleu also married Henri Valle Reire..They had a daughter Marie Valle Reire, who married Jean Lienart..They went on to have several children, of whom records of their descendants were in the Pas-de Calais region of France until at least 1795...

Yup, that's them. What is the site, Danielle?

Elizabeth 'Isabeau' Le Bleu b. c1621 - d Fort de Lincq 23 Mar 1678

X David le Févre (d, bef 1657)
1.Daniel b.c1646 2.David b.c1646 3.Marie b.c1651.

XX Henry Raire.
4.Marie b.c1657

It's Geneanet, Sharon..I'm a member on there..Lots of names Leleu in that region.

I don't suppose Geneanet cites its Sources, Private User?

Isn't this a geneanet link too? http://gw.geneanet.org/arnac?lang=fr&pz=jacques+gerard+yves&amp...
Elizabeth Le Bleu

What makes it confusing is that there were Le Bleus around Fleurbaix, The link above belongs to Jacques Chanis..He seems to copy a lot of trees, rather than go directly to source material..I got the info above on Elisabeth, from Lionel Chretien..He does use records, though it is not stated where he got the information for Elisabeth Leleu..There is more quoted later on....Geneanet is often good as you can go directly to records on there, or see where others have, on their sites...But I can't absolutely guarantee this one..Though it looks quite good.

Finally getting time to get back to this. I've started a project 'Disentangling the le Fèvre Huguenot families who came to SA' here: https://www.geni.com/projects/Disentangling-the-le-F%25C3%25A8vre-H...
Please come & join & help :-)

This Dutch site http://www.grijsbaard.nl/Guines/HZ003424.HTM
backs up the two French geneanet lines above.
I'm still not finding Sources,

but I'm starting by cutting David le Févre & Elizabeth 'Isabeau' Le Bleu from being the parents of Pierre le Fèvre, SV/PROG & Barbe le Févre, SM/PROG - for which connection there are even fewer sources.

Richard Ball uses Boucher to validify David le Fevre (d bef1673) & Elisabeth le Bleu (d 1678, Fort de Lincq) as the parents of Marie le Fébre SM/PROG

He says: "The details of her parents and her Prevot children come from the Church registers of the Protestant Church at Guines, near Calais, as transcribed by W. Minet and W.C. Walter, 1891, and recorded in the book by C. G. Botha: The French Refugees at the Cape, 1919, and the article by M. Boucher, The Cape Huguenots from the Calaisis, in Familia vol.12 no.1, 1975, p.6-17" .http://www.ballfamilyrecords.co.uk/burger/I261.html