Help Validate This Line

Sharon, Thanks for setting it up for us. Getting primary sources is as we all know a problem. Will you and/ or Delia sum up what is the most necessary documents that we needed for this study.
Sometimes the documents are so incomplete that they are worth nothing as in the case of my GrGrandmother Murrays` death notice.
I assume that the Managers of the different profiles will give their full cooperation in obtaining the necessary documentation and we certainly need outside help as well and it will be greatly appreciated. As I am co-manager off all the profiles, please don't rely solely on me for obtaining primary sources .As I am residing in Namibia I have communication problems , but the biggest of all is that I am not that computer wise as to drawing information that is available from the web. (thanks for the many Cousins that always helped me with my personal tree)
As soon as we hear from Delia/Sharon we can start comparing what we have and what we need.

Dries - I'd say any and all documentation that can be found. Also message the other managers on each of these profiles asking for help. I will try and do it for you, but my connectivity at the beach at the mo is very hit and miss.

I think I managed to get messages out.

https://familysearch.org/das/v2/apid:TH-266-12344-98376-84/dist.jpg...
was the d.o.Christoffel Groenewald and Anne Hasselaar
She married - see above link for the documentation - Petrus Francois Melchior Briers on Huwelik:Feb 19 1775, in Stellenbosch, Cape Of Good Hope, South Africa
Huwelikstatus: Enkel
Vrou: Clara Susanna Groenewald
Hope this helps a bit. Lea do have quite a few Archived sources to this profile of Clara Susanna Groenewald, SM
I do have a lot of Swanepoel DN's that myself or Pieter Taljaard (eGGSA Photographer Archives and Grave - OVS)
Dries Ek kyk graag in my Swanepoel Leêr.
Regards/Groete
Judi

THanks JUdi. I had found and uploaded the marriage register this morning. Hopefully Private User can help too.

Are the only Sources that link Jannetje Bort, SM to Regina van Rapenberg van Guinea on the FFYP link? http://www.e-family.co.za/ffy/g6/p6259.htm & http://www.e-family.co.za/ffy/g4/p4122.htm
where I can't access Mansell's article anymore. It seems to me that Koddo van Guinea might also be a candidate, from what I can see there.
Delia Robertson, can you look and let me know what you think?

Thanks Everybody for the help. Our Namibian or Henntiesbay line s were off en sukkel, sukkel for a few days.

Sharon Doubell - the article is under review and has been for some time.

Regina v Rapenburg is listed as *candidate*-mother to Jannetje Bort on her page - this is a very important distinction - http://www.e-family.co.za/ffy/g4/p4122.htm - and in any event will be removed at the next update until such time the DNA matter is resolved.

Especially with the slave ancestors, much of the work identifying candidates entails knowing who they were closely associated with, where they lived and when, particularly wrt a candidate parent/child; eliminating other potential candidates, and so on and on.

Over time DNA will help - but only if every generational step is documented.

At this stage, it is a waste of time to even consider who Jannetje Bort's mother could be until the full line from Dries to Jannetje Bort has been documented. In time hopefully there will be others who test the same, and whose line is equally well documented as this would rule out non-parental events.

Sharon Doubell - Oh, and I should add, we will never know who Regina van Rapenburg's mother was. She was an imported slave.

Thanks Delia for that. I'll remove her right away.

The line to Dries is actually pretty well documented, from what I can see - and presuming that Dries's word for who his mother and grandmother are, stand as a primary source :-)

In one day I documented this line with baptism and marriage records from Helena Josina de Melander/Milander back to Jannetje Bort. Even though it is out of the period, I am including the female line from Helena J deM back to Jannetje in the upcoming update to the project website. I hope to make headway with the generations down from Helena J this week. Personal knowledge of immediate family is usually accepted as reliable, but is not considered a primary record.

Go gal!! That's fantastic!
Please make sure you let us know when you update, so we can go and read it too.

I , have asked Naude Visser a second cousin of mine to try and get as much as possible of my Mother`s, Grandmother`s and Great-grandmother`s documentation from the achieve.

Start with this profile page (http://e-family.co.za/ffy/g17/p17545.htm) for Helena Josina de Milander, b2c6 - trace the line up through each individual's mother to Jannetje Borth. Martin Andreas Karl (Dries) Potgieter, I am sending you a email, please look out for it.