ATTENTION Curators, please assist

Homer Dale Melder: If the profiles are listed as deletions but still show on the tree, then those are most likely the "deleted in a merge"

I did do some looking around Guilluame ll Van Meldert ... there were a number of incomplete merges (i.e. parent conflicts) both "up" and "down" from his profile. After cleaning those up, then Guilluame's statistics show 259 descendants -- but still no path to you.

I also used the HistorySearch tool (learn more about that tool at this Geni Project: http://www.geni.com/projects/HistoryLink/14021) to check for 'issues' in your ancestors (open the Options and 'tick' the "Include Problem Profiles in Search Results" and "Include Pending Merges in Search Results") ... and there were a number of parent conflicts there, too. After resolving those parent conflicts, your ancestor count dropped from 214 to 195

So, you can see that 'cleaning up' the tree may sometimes result in fewer numbers of ancestors ... but it can also increase the numbers, if a merge "connects" a branch which was previously less complete.

But still no connection found to Guilluame.

Sometimes a path that WAS there disappears when connections that were erroneous get detached.

Dan Cornett, I want to take this means of expressing my thanks for you looking into the circumstance with my Geni account. I greatly appreciate your time and effort in regard to this matter Dale Melder

Could somebody please complete this merge?
http://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000006588814835?return=merge_...

Private User

Done!

Private User

Please resolve conflicts.

Thanks

Thanks Pam Karp

There is an abandoned tree here, with matches to a person with the same last name who is not connected to the world tree yet.

http://www.geni.com/merge/compare/6000000004063262082?return=match%...

@Shaz,
he's all yours now. There is an additional suggested Tree-Match. I'm not going to touch it. Too many Johns around.

Private User

Are you sure
http://www.geni.com/search/matches?id=6000000004063262082&src=p...

Sorry to disturb yet again, but Johannes Palnesen Munk
had only one father, Palne Jonsen Munk could someone help fix this?

Ulf, could you please stop adding profiles which you merge in just to become a manager? Somehow that creates shadow profiles in the relationships creating even more problems, probably because you are too impatient.

It looks like this just now Björn,
https://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000003983152127
can you instead of insulting me just set his parents. If you really want to discuss anything serious about what I'm actually are doing, since you do not obvious understand or can see that by your self, please, Pm me.

After that you can set this one here in this tree views https://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000003750736672#60000000...
as a son to this parents, Johannes Palnesen Munk, Gunner Aagesdatter

Private User You have at 3 different times in this thread tried to stop me from correcting the tree, at none of this occasion you have been right, still you keep doing this, and now also by insults. I'm just trying to sort faults out and by doing that I believe that I'm doing just what I should do, of course, anyone can do this, but still, not anyone do actually that. Instead of just complaining, go to my recent activities in my profile and try to actually go thru the changes that I make, and after that you should be able to make a judgement whether I'm doing something good for this site or not. By just prejudiced thoughts, you can't judge it.

Ulf, pinpointing that you add and merge profiles immediately to become a manager is something everyone can see in the revisions and your activity tab.

The fact about shadow profiles because of your impatience - check the relationships tab on this profile where you got two ghost parents and 4 ghost spouses: https://www.geni.com/profile/edit_relationships/6000000003983152127

In another line you have two times merged a grandfather and grandson resulting in a lot of work, so please be more careful.

Anne, Lois, thanks so much! It wasn't a claimed profile. I just hadn't seen I had inadvertently added a dependet. Thanks again for all the help!

Private User

"Ulf, pinpointing that you add and merge profiles immediately to become a manager is something everyone can see in the revisions and your activity tab."

Yes, and then why? Ask your self that question!

Until that happens, here my short answer.

1. I want to be a part of my direct ancestor line, just like a bunch of other.
2. If I make any changes, then I have the answer to how and why, if I'm not a co manager, then there's a risk that people with questions will not address me.
3. In order to add parents, arrange marriages, add children etc, I do make a copy in one place, so that I can merge them together in the right place. By the way, curators would never be able to do all that by themselves, thought about that?

Anything strange about that, no. The amount are just a result depending on how much I do, most of it are unfortunately just a bi effect because of other peoples mistakes, a lot of them, that's also the reason for that "mistake" you accuse me for having done, wait a minute, was it better with 4 parents in 3 lines going up to 3 forefathers that actually where just one? Yes, for 2 months or more, all of the others manager must have thought that.

I get it that you just have something against me as a person, that's ok, we are different and not everybody likes each other, personal chemistry or what ever reason, but do not blame anything on this reasons on the things I do, because, they are actually benefiting, even for you.

But then again, I have zero patience with people constantly making grave mistake, it is my Achilles heel and there I can really lose my temper.

Thanks, Angus Wood-Salomon, not sure what you mean about am I sure :)
This manager is family, and I think the tree should be asigned to him, should he return to Geni. Lincoln Jeffrey Watts
He was not on the main tree because the other manager had abandoned these 1,000 profiles.
My mother asked me to work here, Ross Watts is her friend, he turned 81 2 days ago. Mother also has photos related to this area of the tree she will give me.
Shaz
PS. Did i make a mistake, was very late in the day.

No No No when I looked at these trees today there were two distinct separate trees.

This one http://www.geni.com/family-tree/index/6000000004063262082#600000000... had a few duplicates and if you check the revisions you would see that both Shmuel and I merged them into one tree.

Unfortunately I do not see the other tree that we were comparing anymore. the spouses were different but all looks good now..

Thanks Angus Wood-Salomon :) If no manager can be assigned, I will care for them. I think we need a new discussion "people who fall through the cracks".
So often I see small trees and people are not on the main tree, and then they leave. With a little more collaboration they could be connected, and that is when the magic of Geni will happen for them.
Don't think they know/understand how to ask for a merge. This tree is a prime example, the small tree could not merge because the bigger connected one was abandoned. So we may have lost Lincoln as a member now, and he is rightful manager to this bigger tree.

Private User

re: "1. I want to be a part of my direct ancestor line, just like a bunch of other."

Why? There is no benefit to it. That is the whole reason for a SHARED World Family Tree, so one does NOT need to duplicate profiles for some mistaken benefit from having you name somehow connected with those ancestors. You -- and hundreds or thousands of others! They are NOT 'your' ancestors; they are OUR ancestors.

Changes to profiles others have already added do require cooperation; that's what the Geni "Collaboration request" is for.

I do understand it is inconvenient to make changes without the cooperation of others IF you are not a Pro member of Geni. That's the way things are.

Documentation of changes one believes to be necessary can MOST OFTEN be best handled by starting a new discussion under the Discussions tab of the relevant profile.

Anyone can do that, not just Pro members.

THAT is the place to provide the evidence for changes ... not in this particular discussion (which is intented to be where one is simply seeking help that can't be provided by other Geni Pro members or profile co-managers).

hello curators

http://www.geni.com/people/Louis-Antoine-d-Ailly-seigneur-de-Varenn...

can you reatach good parents
Antoine d'Ailly, seigneur de Varenne and wife

http://gw.geneanet.org/pierfit?lang=fr&p=louis+antoine&n=d+...

http://genealogiequebec.info/testphp/info.php?no=232630

Dan Cornett
Our is mine too, so you are wrong, it's simple logic, they aren't "just mine", that's probably the way you interpreted it, but they are just as well mine.

I did ask for help in this thread, a help that did not work out because of mistrust, and the reason for asking for help here and not in a separate thread, are because this matter are dealt with in this thread, splitting wrong parents. Everything would have gone so much easier if, you curators took your time and listen instead of just jumping up and object.

There were no need for bringing up any evidence in particular for the split that I asked for, since the documentation already are in those profiles, with a link to click on if anyone would want to check it out for themselves.

So I repeat my request, kill of the "zombies" in this profile by go in to this profiles relationship and then simple click away all the other unknown parents existing there except the one you saw declared when you opened the profile right here. It a very simple task but that only a curator can do.
Johannes Palnesen Munk

When that is done, you go the his son
Niels Jensen Munk
and set the parents as
Father Johannes Palnesen Munk
Mother Gunner Aagesdatter

They are my 19th and 20th Grandparents also.
This site is the preferred reference for the danish tree and is as said by Private User
http://finnholbek.dk/genealogy/getperson.php?personID=I17958&tr...
MP by Private User

Ulf & Shaz:

I did some clean up there around the 13th century Munk (there were a few other structural issues I saw as well); no apparent controversy about those fixes.

I think, though, Ulf, you are missing the point about the fact that there is NO benefit to being a co-manager of every one of one's ancestors. If everyone were to do so, the list of co-managers would become enormous for profiles more than 6 or 7 generations back. And there is, for all practical purposes, no benefit. Those are the points I was making ... and why some curators react to the creation of duplicates when it 'appears' to be for the purpose of becoming a co-manager of a profile -- and also requires work by someone else to 'complete' the work.

Just to clear it up Dan Cornett, I have no intention of being co manager of all of them, just certain key figures and also especially the ones that more or less usually often do get mixed up. The rest is a fantasy created originally most likely from a dispute with another curator who had me blocked just because I added some profiles she wrongfully deleted.

This seems to have spread to certain persons and has become a bat to attack me with, fortunately for me, most people do actually benefit from the correction I do, I add parents when they are missing if I know who they are, I join family members who are separated, add siblings when they are missing, setting up second partners etc. all in due time, for free and still being a basic member. To sum it up, I make very few mistakes, and I know that some of you out there actually like to see your tree grow.

And last, Thanks for fixing the structural issues!

Thanks Dan :) Father is 19th GGfather, Son is 20th, different lines, would that be likely?

Ulf, my experience with most of your requests is that you usually fix one tree by destroying another, - for example by cutting parents and spouses. It has even happened that you first have changed the names and dates to fit your request. They is why I have started to warn others to just jump on your requests.

You need to go deeper into the material, - a parent conflict is ALWAYS a result of a bad merge and just fixing the data and cut connections to fix one line by destroying another line. The merged-in profile need to get restored etc etc.