William Sinclair of Roslin, 1st Lord of Roslin - BAD MERGES - have affected lineages !!!

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Roselinda is your 45th great grandmother.

Roselinda

Roselinda
Birth: estimated between 480 and 540
Immediate Family:
Daughter of Hermanafrid of the Thuringia and Amalaberga Amalafridasdotter
Wife of Owen Desposyni, Archdruid & Prince Bard
Mother of Alboin (Bors)

Family Lineage:

The family genelogy is as follows:

Susan Lynne Schwenger

You

Lynda Mae Handy - Schwenger
your mother

Murray Bruce “Muff” Schwenger

Your father

JAMES "Jim" EDWARD HANDY JR.
her father

Your Grandfather

VIOLA MAE DRURY – HANDY

Her mother

Your Grandmother

JAMES HANDY
his father

JAMES HANDY is your Great Grandfather

Ida Eva Morton Russell - Handy is your Great Grandmother

Daughter of Robert J. Russell is your 2nd Great Grandfather

Marian Ruthven - Handy
his mother

Marion Ruthven – Handy is your 2nd great grandmother

Marion or Miriam Satchell

Edward Handy is your 2nd great grandfather

Edward "Ned" Handy

Son of Charles handy (1801) is your 3rd great grandfather

and Mary Gibbons (1802) is your 3rd great grandmother

Charles Wesley Handy

Son of Benjamin Thomas aka Ben Handy is your 4th great grandfather

Known as: The World’s Greatest Horseman – The unparalleled vaulting horseman – Handy Circus Troupe

Partner in Astley’s Circus

Benjamin or Ben Thomas Handy. Esq.

Son of Anthony Handy is your 5th great grandfather

And, Jane Unknown – Handy is your 5th great grandmother

(both born in Ireland)

And Mary Huntley - Grant - Handy - Catawba Tribe is your 4th great grandmother

(Wife of Benjamin Thomas aka Ben Handy)

Known as: The World’s Greatest Horseman – The unparalleled vaulting horseman – Handy Circus Troupe

Partner in Astley’s Circus

Benjamin or Ben Thomas Handy. Esq.

Daughter of Chief Neil Huntley – Catawba Tribe is your 5th great grandfather

ALEXANDER RUTHVEN
her father

Alexander Ruthven is your 3rd great grandfather

Marion Rennie - Ruthven is your 3rd great grandmother

Alexander Ruthven

ROBERT RUTHVEN
his father

Robert Ruthven is your 4th great grandfather

Margaret Thompson is your 4th great grandmother

Robert Ruthven

JOHN RUTHVEN
his father

John Ruthven is your 5th great grandfather

Margaret Wotherspoon-Weatherspoon Ruthven is your 5th great grandmother

John Ruthven, Weaver in Glasgow

JOHN RUTHVEN
his father

John Ruthven is your 6th great grandfather

Mary Henderson is your 6th great grandmother

John Ruthven, secundus, grocer in Glasgow

John Ruthven
his father

John Ruthven is your 7th great grandfather

Marrion Margaret Peadie-Ruthven is your 7th great grandmother

John Ruthven, Music Master in Glasgow

George Ruthven
his father

George Ruthven is your 8th great grandfather

Elspeth Hutcheson - Ruthven is your 8th great grandmother

George Ruthven

William Alexander Ruthven
his father

William Alexander Ruthven is your 9th great grandfather

Isobell Reid - Ruthven is your 9th great grandmother

Daughter of James Reid is your 10th great grandfather

William Ruthven, Resident of Brechin

William Ruthven
his father

William Ruthven is your 10th great grandfather

Marion Clerk- Ruthven is your 10th great grandmother

William Ruthven, Writer in Edinburgh

Mary Gray - Seaton - Ruthven
his mother

Mary Gray - Seaton - Ruthven is your 11th great grandmother

Sir William Ruthven is your 11th great grandfather

Sir William Ruthven of Ballindean, Kt.

Son of William Ruthven, 2nd Lord of Ruthven

is your 12th great grandfather

(And Janet Halyburton - Ruthven, 6th Lady Dirletoun)

is your 12th great grandmother

Son of William Ruthven, Master of Ruthven is your 13th great grandfather

And Catherine Gray of Buttergask - Stewart - Ruthven is your 13th great grandmother

William Ruthven, Master of Ruthven

Son of William Ruthven, 1st Lord of Ruthven is your 14th great grandfather

and Lady Mabella [Isabella] Livingstone - Lindsay - Ruthven is your 14th great grandmother

William Ruthven, 1st Lord Ruthven

Son of Sir Patrick Ruthven of that Ilk is your 15th great grandfather

and Mrs. Patrick Cranstoun - Ruthven is your 15th great grandmother

Sir Patrick Ruthven of that Ilk

Son of Sir John Ruthven of that Ilk is your 16th great grandfather

And, Isabel Ruthven is your 16th great grandmother

Sir John Ruthven of that Ilk

Son of Sir William Laird Ruthven of Balerno is your 17th great grandfather

And Isabel Ruthven is your 17th great grandmother

Sir John Ruthven of that Ilk

Son of William Ruthven of Balerno is your 18th great grandfather

and Johanna Ruthven is your 18th great grandmother

Son of William Ruthven, of that Ilk is your 19th great grandfather

And Joan is your 19th great grandmother

Son of Sir William Ruthven is your 20th great grandfather

and Marjorie Ramsay is your 20th great grandmother

William Ruthven of that Ilk

Son of Sir Walter Ruthven, Lord of Ruthven is your 21st great grandfather

And Cecily of Strathearn is your 21st great grandmother

Son of Sir William Ruthven of that lkk is your 22nd great grandfather

Sir William Ruthven of that Ilk

Son of Sir Walter Ruthven, Lord of Ruthven is your 23rd great grandfather

Son of Alan is your 24th great grandfather

and Alcestor is your 24th great grandmother

Cecily of Strathearn is your 23rd great grandmother

Daughter of Gilbert, 3rd Earl of Strathearn is your 24th great grandmother

and Matilda d'Aubigny is your 24th great grandfather

Sir Walter of Ruthven

And Janet Ruthven (Halyburton), 6th Lady Dirletoun is your 12th great grandmother

Mary Gray

Marion Gray
her mother

Marion Gray (Ogilvy) is your 12th great grandmother

Sir Patrick Gray, 4th Lord Gray is your 12th great grandfather

Son of Gilbert Gray, of Buttergask is your 13th great grandfather

and Egidia Mercer - Gray is your 13th great grandmother

Daughter of Sir Laurence Mercer is your 14th great grandfather

nd Isobel Elisabeth Wardlaw - Mercer is your 14th great grandmother

Marion Ogilvy

Helen Ogilvy (Sinclair), Lady Ogilvy of Airlie
her mother

Helen Ogilvy (Sinclair), Lady Ogilvy of Airlie is your 13th great grandmother

James Ogilvy, 4th Lord Ogilvy of Airlie is your 13th great grandfather

James Ogilvy, 4th Lord Ogilvy of Airlie

Son of James Ogilvy, 3rd Lord Ogilvy of Airlie is your 14th great grandfather

And Lady Margaret Lindsay - Ogilvy is your 14th great grandmother

Daughter of Alexander Lindsay of Auchtermonzie, 7th Earl of Crawford is your 15th great grandmother

and Isobel Campbell - Lindsay, Countess of Crawford is your 15th great grandmother

Helen Sinclair, Baroness Ogilvy of Airlie

Henry Sinclair, 3rd Lord Sinclair

Her father

Henry Sinclair, 3rd Lord Sinclair is your 14th great grandfather

Margaret Hepburn is your 14th great grandmother

Daughter of Patrick Hepburn, 1st Earl of Bothwell is your 15th great grandfather

And Lady Janet Douglas - Hepburn, Countess of Bothwell is your 15th great grandmother

Lord Henry Sinclair, 3rd Lord Sinclair

William Sinclair, 2nd lord St. Clair
his father

William Sinclair, 2nd lord St. Clair is your 15th great grandfather

Lady Christina Leslie is your 15th great grandmother

Daughter of George Leslie, 1st Earl of Rothes is your 16th great grandfather

And Christina Halyburton- Leslie is your 16th great grandmother

William "the Waster" Sinclair, 2nd Lord Sinclair

William Sinclair, 1st Earl of Caithness, 3rd Earl of Orkney
his father

William Sinclair, 1st Earl of Caithness, 3rd Earl of Orkney is your 16th great grandfather

Elizabeth Douglas, Dowager Countess of Buchan is your 16th great grandmother

Daugher of Archibald Doubas, 4th Earl of Douglas is your 17th great grandfather

And, Princess Margaret Stewart is your 17th great grandmother

Margaret Stewart, Lady of Galloway

Daughter of Robert III, King of Scots is your 18th great grandfather

and Annabella Stewart, Queen Consort of Scotland is your 18th great grandmother

William Sinclair, 1st Earl of Caithness, 3rd Earl of Orkney

Henry Sinclair, 2nd Earl of Orkney

His father

Henry Sinclair, 2nd Earl of Orkney is your 17th great grandfather

Edigia Douglas, Countess of Orkney is your 17th great grandmother

Daughter of William Douglas of Nithsdale is your 18th great grandfather

and Egidia “Jill” Stewart, Princess of Scotland is your 18th great grandmother

Daughter of Robert II of Scotland is your 19th great grandfather

Son of Walter Stewart, 6th High Steward of Scotland is your 20th great grandfather

and Marjorie Bruce, Princess of Scotland is your 20th great grandmother

and Euphemia de Ross, Queen Consort of Scotland is your 19th great grandmother

Daughter of Hugh (Aodh) de Ross, 4th Mormaer/Earl of Ross is your 20th great grandfather

And Margaret Graham is your 20th great grandmother

Egidia Stewart, of Lounane, Princess of Scotland

Henry Sinclair, 2nd Earl of Orkney

Henry Sinclair aka Henry St. Clair, 1st Earl of Orkney

9th Baron of Rosslyn, Lord of Shetland, Duke of Oldenburg, Admiral of the High Seas of Scotland, Lord Chief Justice of Scotland, Knight Templar
his father

Henry Sinclair aka Henry St. Clair, 1st Earl of Orkney is your 18th great grandfather

Jane (Jean) Halyburton aka Haliburton is your 18th great grandmother

Daughter of Sir John Haliburton is your 19th great grandfather

Henry Sinclair, 1st Earl of Orkney

William Sinclair of Roslin, Lord of Roslin
his father

William Sinclair of Roslin, Lord of Roslin is your 19th great grandfather

Isabella of Strathern is your 19th great grandmother

Daughter of Malise, 8th Earl of Strathearn is your 20th great grandfather

And Mary Strathern is your 20th great grandmother

William Sinclair of Roslin

Sir William Sinclair of Roslin
his father

Sir William Sinclair of Roslin is your 20th great grandfather

Rosabelle is your 20th great grandmother

Sir William Sinclair of Roslin

Sir Henry Sinclair of Roslin
his father

Sir Henry Sinclair of Roslin is your 21st great grandfather

Alice de Fenton is your 21st great grandmother

Daughter of John de Fenton is your 22nd great grandfather

Sir Henry Sinclair of Roslin, 7th Lord of Roslin

Sir William Sinclair of Roslin
his father

Sir William Sinclair of Roslin is your 22nd great grandfather

Matilda of Orkney is your 22nd great grandmother

Daughter of Magnus III of Orkney is your 23rd great grandfather

and Mrs. Magnus Orkney is your 23rd great grandmother

Henry Sinclair of Roslin
his father

Henry Sinclair of Roslin is your 23rd great grandfather

Margaret de Mar is your 23rd great grandmother

Daughter of Duncan of Mar, 4th Earl of Mar is your 24th great grandfather

And Orabella de Mar is your 24th great grandmother

Henry Sinclair of Roslin

Henry Sinclair of Roslin, 5th Lord of Roslin
his father

Henry Sinclair of Roslin, 5th Lord of Roslin is your 24th great grandfather

Katherine of Strathearn is your 24th great grandmother

Daughter of Robert of Strathearn, 4th Earl of Strathearn is your 25th great grandmother

and Maud Strathearn is your 25th great grandmother

William Sinclair of Roslin, 4th Lord of Roslin
his father

William Sinclair of Roslin, 4th Lord of Roslin is your 25th great grandfather

Agnes St. Clare is your 25th great grandmother

Daughter of Patrick I, 4th Earl of Dunbar is your 26th great grandfather

and Ada nic Uilliam is your 26th great grandmother

William Sinclair of Roslin

Henry Sinclair of Roslin, 3rd Lord of Roslin
his father

Henry Sinclair of Roslin, 3rd Lord of Roslin is your 26th great grandfather

Margaret of Mar is your 26th great grandmother

Daughter of Grathney, Mórmaer of Maris is your 27th great grandfather

Henry Sinclair of Roslin, 2nd Lord of Roslin
his father

Henry Sinclair of Roslin, 2nd Lord of Roslin is your 27th great grandfather

Roseabelle of Strathearn is your 27th great grandmother

Daughter of unknown Huntingdon is your 28th great grandfather

and Ada of Huntingdon is your 28th great grandmother

William Sinclair of Roslin, 1st Lord of Roslin his father

William Sinclair of Roslin, 1st Lord of Roslin is your 28th great grandfather

Doratha de Dunbar of Dunbar Castle, East Lothian, Scotland is your 28th great grandmother

Daughter of Gospatrick mac Maldred, Earl of Northumbriais your 29th great grandfather

and Æthelreda is your 29th great grandmother

Waleran de Saint-Clair
his father

Waleran de Saint-Clair is your 29th great grandfather

Helena "le Bon" of Normandy is your 29th great grandmother.

Helena "le Bon"

Daughter of Richard III, duc de Normandie is your 30th great grandfather

Son of Richard II, duc de Normandie is your 31st great grandfather

and Judith de Bretagne is 31st great grandmother

Adèle de France is your 30th great grandmother

Daughter of Robert II le Pieux, roi des Francs is your 31st great grandfather

and Constance d'Arles, reine consort de France is your 31st great grandmother
N.N. de St. Clare
his mother
is your 32nd great grandmother

and, part 2 of 2 is here:

PART 2 of 2

→ Richard III, duc de Normandie
(Fiancée of Adèle de France)
her father
is your 30th great grandfather
Son of Richard II, duc de Normandie is your 31st great grandfather
and Judith de Bretagne is your 31st great grandmother

Richard III, duke of Normandy

Adèle de France aka Adela (Aelis) de France is your 30th great grandmother
(Fiancée of Richard III, duc de Normandie)
Adela of France, countess of Flanders

Daughter of Robert II le Pieux, roi des Francs is your 31st great grandfather
and Constance d'Arles, reine consort de France is your 31st great grandmother

→ Judith de Bretagne
his mother
is your 31st great grandmother

Richard II, duc de Normandie is your 31st great grandfather
Son of Richard I, 'The Fearless', Duke of Normandy is your 32nd great grandfather
and Gonnor D'Arques, Duchess of Normandy is your 32nd great grandmother
Judith of Brittany

→ Conan I le Fort, duc de Bretagne
her father
is your 32nd great grandfather
Conan I 'le Tort’ de Rennes, duc de Bretagne

Ermangarde d'Anjou, Duchess of Bretagne is your 32nd great grandmother
Daughter of Geoffrey "Grisgonelle", comte d'Anjou is your 33rd great grandfather
and Adele de Vermandois is your 33rd great grandmother
Conan I 'le Tort’ de Rennes, duc de Bretagne

→ Judicaël, comte de Rennes
his father
is your 33rd great grandfather
Judicaël Berenger de Rennes, comte de Rennes
Son of Berenger, comte de Bayeux is your 34th great grandfather
and N.N. de Bretagne is your 34th great grandmother

Gerberge is your 33rd great grandmother

→ N.N. de Bretagne
his mother
is your 34th great grandmother

Berenger, comte de Bayeux is your 34th great grandfather

→ N.N. de Bretagne
her mother
is your 35th great grandmother
Gurwent, duc de Bretagne is your 35th great grandfather
N.N. de Bretagne

→ Erispoë II, duc de Bretagne aka Erispoë II de Browerec Duc de Bretagne de Vannes, Roi de Bretagne
her father
is your 36th great grandfather

Marmoëc de Poher is your 36th great grandmother
Daughter of Riwallon de Poher, comte de Poher is your 37th great grandfather
and NN ., Mother of Salomon de Poër is your 37th great grandmother

Erispoë II, king of Brittany

→ Nominoe/Nomemoe aka Nominoë Tad ar Vro de Bretagne, roi de Bretagne- King of Brittany
his father
is your 37th great grandfather
Nominoë, king of Brittany

Argentaël de Bretagne is your 37th great grandmother
Daughter of Argent "Arastagne" de Cornouaille, King of Brittany is your 38th great grandfather
and Berilie ??? is your 38th great grandmother

→ Erispoë Ier, Comte de Poher
his father
is your 38th great grandfather
No Name Mother of Nominoe/Nomemoe, KIng of Brittany is your 39th great grandmother

Unknown Profile
→ Froamidus (Fictional)

his father
is your 39th great grandfather
Froamidus (Fictional)

→ Alain de Bretagne
his father
is your 40th great grandfather
Alain de Bretagne

→ Sir Lionel (Fictional)
his father
is your 41st great grandfather

Lionel, Lancelot's Cousin, Malory Text

→ Bors II de Bretagne
his father
is your 42nd great grandfather
Evaine is your 42nd great grandmother

→ Bors, King of Gaul
his father
is your 43rd great grandfather
Viviane del Acqs, Queen of Avallon is your 43rd great grandmother
Daughter of Owen Desposyni, Archdruid & Prince Bard is your 44th great grandfather
and Amlawdd D Acqs, Queen of Avalon is your 44th great grandmother
Curated by: Justin Swanström
Bors the Elder, Malory Text

→ Alboin (Bors)
his father
is your 44th great grandfather
Alboin (Bors)

→ Roselinda
his mother
is your 45th great grandmother
Roselinda

Daughter of Hermanafrid of the Thuringia is your 46th great grandfather
and Amalaberga Amalafridasdotter is your 46th great grandfather

Owen Desposyni, Archdruid & Prince Bard is your 45th great grandfather.
Owen Archdruid & Prince Bard Desposyni (Taliesin), Archdruid & Prince Bard
Birth: circa 520
Death: 540 (20)
Immediate Family:
Son of Lambor (Fictional) and Wife of Lambor
Husband of Viviane del Acqs, queen of burgundy Lady of the Lake; Roselinda and Amlawdd D Acqs, Queen of Avalon
Father of Igerna ferch Amlawdd, of Dumnonia; Nimue dar of Taliesin; Alboin (Bors); Anna Morcades;
Viviane del Acqs, Queen of Avallon and 1 other
Brother of Taliesen Merlin; Pellam (Fictional) and Eglise / Yglais (Fictional)

Curated: Bjørn P. Brox
Taliesin, Chief of the Bards

Ok , I don't understand. What exactlt is wrong. I never merge anything but am interested anyway. My line is in there. Judy

Rather than getting completely upset, find the area that the bad merge is in and ask someone to sort it out. Nobody can tell where the error is by a copy and paste of your lineages.

Ya, I agree with mimi , single out where the problem is. What you posted is way too much to weed throug. Not impossible but a lot time consuming effort!

i'm not upset MRA - i will try to detail it, i think, the problem roots up in
Owen Desposyni - were someone has changed it
and; parked him 2 levels, below were he should be
i'll check to see if that problem has been fixed
then work to resolving this one,
i thought someone should be aware of it
thank you

@William Sinclair of Roslin,1st Lord of Roselin is my fist cousin 26 times removed this is my lineage Judy Rice =Arthur Rice my father=Israel Tekarihoken his father=Pierre Atawenrate Rice his father=Ignace Awennaietha Deer Rice his father=Marie Madeleine Kiatawinon Deer Rice his mother=Thomas,Aka Atonwa Aronhiowonen her father=Silas Rice his father=Edmund Rice his father=Samuel Rice his father=Thomasine Rice(Frost) his mother=Thomasine Frost(Belgrave)her mother=Joanna Belgrave her mother=Catherine/Johanna Strutt her mother=Sir John Scott,High Sheriff of Kent her father=Sybilla Scott,Heiress of the Barony of Bircholt her mother=Johanna Halsham her mother=Richard Halsham her father=Philippa de Strathbogie his mother=David 1V Strabolgi,13th Earl of Atholl her father=Katherine de Beaumont his mother=Henry de Beaumont,Viscount his father=Agnes de Beaumont, Vicomte in Maine his mother=Raoul de Beaumont V11 her father=Richard 1 De Beaumont Viscount his father=Constance Mathilde fitzRoy,Vicountess de Maine his mother=Henry 1 Beauclerc,King of England her father=Matilda of Flanders,Queen Consort of England his mother=Adele de France her mother=Helena"le Bon" of Normandy her daughter=William Sinclair of Roslin, 1st Lord of Roselin Judy Rice

I suggest extreme caution when it comes to Owen Desposyni. See my response here: http://www.geni.com/discussions/125369?msg=882110

This link shows she is my great grandmother
Helena "le Bon" of Normandy

however, her husband
the father of William Sinclair of Roslin, 1st Lord of Roselin
isn't showing things correctly, at all
- that is ONE error

Roselinda is my 44th great grandmother.

Owen Desposyni, Archdruid & Prince Bard is your 39th great grandfather.

Roselinda is your 43rd great grandmother

This still has NOT been fixed ?

Susan, Justin pointed you to part of the answer at http://www.geni.com/discussions/125369?msg=882110

It's not something that's simple to fix. It needs a lot more research. Research takes time. If you would like to contribute by doing some research and providing solid documentation for the changes you think should be made -- and Ancestry trees don't suffice -- then someone can better assist you. Thanks for your help in advance.

Managers of Henry Sinclair of Roslin, 2nd Lord of Roslin,
I am contacting you about this profile: Henry Sinclair of Roslin
Sincerely,
Susan Lynne Schwenger

This lineage shows correct to this point
Henry Sinclair of Roslin?through=6000000002187978405, as, my 27th great grandfather

however, it doesn't seem to connect properly to
the father & mother ?
NOT sure, how to fix that
- any suggestions ?

Susan - can you post an outside reference for the parents of William (not a whole lineage - just say a 3 generation scholarly reference)

Sorry I meant Henry

This morning I roughed in some notes about the ancestry of William Sinclair of Roslin. The traditional ancestry includes some links to the dukes of Normandy that seem to be fictional.

Justin, I was looking at some of my info. This is how mine goes at least part of the sinclair line:

William douglas m Egidia Jill Stewart

Henry Sinclair m. Egidia jill Douglas

William Sinclair m 1. Elizabeth Douglas 2. marjory Sutherland 3. Janet yeman . He had a sister named beatric / Betrix Sinclair Douglas,

Now in hunting back. I couldn't remember where it was and what line connected , so I typed it in and found of course several reference to said people. One of them and it was very confusing had henry and Egidia having two Williams . One born in 1405 and having three wives and the other being born in 1408 and having Beatric as his wife. Now this could be true but more than likely he is one and the same with a birthdate between 1405--1408.And Beatrix a sister not a wife. Now I don't know. It was written up very confusingly.I can't tell how many times i read it before it made sorta of sence!
Anyway my line continues on with said William Sinclair and Elizabeth Douglas ,daughter of Archibald Tyerman Douglas and Margaret Stewart, being the parents of Marjorie Sinclair who marries Andrew leslie and it changes to Leslie as a last name at this point. Judy

William Sinclair of Roslin, 1st Lord of Roslin is your first cousin 6 times removed's husband's 18th great grandfather.

Hm, confusing! I have the same lineage as Judy from Thomasine Rice Frost back to William, but now at John Loker I am being routed through the Haynes family to Scotland to William. Never saw these Haynes people before......

Are you sure it's Haynes and not Hays. I don't know who John Loker is. I guess I will need to find where Thomasine Rice is and back track cause I am as confused as you are. Judy

I could use some help here

Beatrix (Bethoc) Sinclair, Countess of Douglas

& James, 2nd Lord Douglas of Dalkeith

Are missing most of their children.

Can someone find the EXISTING Geni profiles and drag and drop them on to the parents?

This is getting very tiresome. Another profile, which is directly connected to me is again locked up. Not that I wanted to do anythingthing to it or add or remove aanything but why is locked up? This is why I get so irritated with geni.( Judith of Britany( de Bretagne) is the one i am talking about.)

A lot of bad merges going on . Thank God I have my references.

Erica
I have a list of 7 children

Should I add them to the tree (don't have drag/drop)
or just list the names
dalton

edward right now the profile only lists Father of Janet Douglas of Dalkeith and Elizabeth Douglas for james 7th earl of douglas 1st earl of avondale..
what info do you have?

i'm sure it's locked up Judith "Judi" Elaine (McKee) Burns opps.. wrong one Private User because Justin Durand thought it wrong but i agree this whole merge thing needs to be reworked to it doesn't cause trouble else where. I Had high hopes for 2014 ang geni sigh.. I should have knownNOT to get my hopes up that some day we could all nicely play in the sandbox with out fighting each other

The children list:
Hugh Earl of Ormonde Douglas -1455
Margare Douglas
William 8th Earl of Douglas Douglas VIII 1425-1452
Archibald Earl of Moray Douglas 1426 - 1455
James "I" 9th Earl Douglas I X 1426 - 1488
Janet Douglas 1427 - 1489
John, Lord of Balvenie Douglas 1433 - 1463

I have copied the list exactly as it appears

Dalton

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