Abraham Martin dit l'Écossais - Abraham Martin dit l'Écossais

Started by Pierre Dion on Friday, October 5, 2012
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10/5/2012 at 6:48 PM

Si Abraham Martin est réellement né de l'union de Jean Galleran et Isabelle Côté, donc le frère d'Antoine Martin Montpellier, il n 'aurait d'écossais que le nom de la rue de son logis. "Jadis les gens du peuple n'étaient connus que par un sobriquet tiré de leur profession, de leur pays" (Balz.) Voici ce que nous disent Bernadette Foisset et Gail Moreau-Desharnais: Abraham Martin aurait résidé sur la rue de l'Écosse à Dieppe d'ou son surnom de l'Écossais.
Baptême de son fils Jean à Dieppe (ST-Rémis) le 28/9/1616, parrain et marraine: Jehan Filie, ColetteChignard.
Abraham Martin rentre en France en 1629 à la suite de la prise de Québec par les frères Kirke. Son fils Pierre est baptisé à Dieppe (St-Jacques)le 1/8/1630.
Abraham revient en Nouvelle France en1633 avec sa femme Margueritte Langlois et son fils Charles.
I.D_DGFQ, p 778
Référence:DBC, vol.1 p. 506-507
Abraham Martin dit l'Écossais: N. Vers 1589 D. 8/9/1684

12/19/2019 at 9:18 PM

Question: Was Abraham Martin a Luxembourgian?

Looking over the various stories of Abraham Martin's origins... most Genealogists feel that Abraham Martin's birth origin is France, but there are a few that think that there is a slight error?
According to Find A Grave... They say that it's possible that Abraham Martin was born in La Rochelle, France, but according to also, His Father or family came from Metz, France.
Due to faded documents, the notion of Abraham Martin being born in La Rochelle, France seems vague. Looking deeper on Abraham's Father being 'A Merchant of Metz'... La Rochelle seems quite a distance away from Metz.
Upon this vague notion and misspelling... I am looking at the possibility that Abraham Martin may have been born in Larochette, Luxembourg and not La Rochelle, France, because Larochette is much closer to Metz?
If Abraham Father was a local merchant of Metz... then it is very possible that we may be dealing with a misspelling of Abraham's birth location? Recently... I visited Larochette and met a local Catholic Priest that is now Dean of a Catholic Regional Diocese that includes Larochette. Before he was raised to Dean, he was Former Catholic Pastor of Larochette.
Upon our discussion... He is willing to check church records, to find out if Abraham Martin was born there?

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12/20/2019 at 8:02 AM

Only sourced biographical data should be used. And those sources should be credible . Find a Grave is NOT a credible source, especially when it is not a record of an actual grave. People are copying unfounded information and after awhile, people think it is correct because so many people have copied it.

We do not have the marriage record or marriage contract for Abraham and Marguerite Langlois. Normally those types of records list the parents of the groom and bride. We do not have any notary records (such as inventories) from which we can “surmise” who his parents were. We do not have any marriage dispensations for his descendants from which a family connection can be surmised from other “Martins”. So, there is NO proof that his father or family were from Metz. We just do not know who is parents were. Anything is pure conjecture and not based on fact.

According to

https://www.fichierorigine.com/recherche?numero=290146

which is a credible source, his origins is Dieppe not La Rochelle. We do not know if he was born there, since his baptismal record is not available. All we know that he was “from” Dieppe because two of his children were baptised there.. one in 1616 and the other in 1630. The Dieppe records were searched because those records have been found.

His year of birth is estimated to be about 1589 which is before baptisms were recorded routinely in France. Most of the records (I have searched them; they are on-line) do not go back that far. I seriously doubt if any baptismal record will ever be found for him because it was never recorded.

Another credible source, by the way, is Franogene and ,of course, there is the PRDH.

We are fortunate in Québeçois genealogy, that there has been and continues to be research into the original immigrants by experienced Francophone genealogists and researchers.

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